Friday, October 18, 2013

Winning The War

At the just completed ASA conference in San Francisco, Dr. John B. Neeld, Jr. delivered the prestigious Emery A Rovenstine Memorial Lecture to thousands of anesthesiologists in the audience. Dr. Neeld is a former president of the ASA back in 1999. His talk was titled, "Winning The War." As you might guess, it has nothing to do with the war on poverty, drugs, or Afghanistan. Instead it is a call to arms against the encroachment of CRNA's into our profession.

"We are in a war over the provision of anesthesia for patients," he said. "The safety and survival of millions of patients demand that we win this war. I call upon ASA to appropriate $1 million to fund outcomes research to demonstrate the value of physician-led anesthesia teams." He notes that the nurses are quickly gathering allies in all the right political offices to expand their practices. The Obamacare laws even forbid payment discrimination by federal programs for delivery of medical services no matter whether they are performed by MD's or CRNA's. Continues Dr. Neeld, "Failure to prove that anesthesiologist-led care is the gold standard will submit millions of patients to increased risk. Performing these outcomes studies is all about the patient."

Bravo Dr. Neeld. We do need to prove to everybody, especially the people who are paying our bills, that anesthesiologists deliver a higher quality of anesthesia and increased levels of safety to our patients than CRNA's. However the proof is in the pudding. Just having a gut feeling about our superiority in providing anesthesia due to our longer training period or hearing anecdotal tales of scary nurse anesthetists' misadventures in the operating rooms don't sway anybody's perception that anesthesiologists cost too much money.

As I have mentioned, we have pretty much shot ourselves in the foot with our drive to improve patient safety in the OR. While it is great for patients that anesthesia has now become one of the safest fields in medicine, it has greatly complicated our ability to market ourselves as the better anesthesia providers. With anesthesia complications now running so low, it is nigh impossible to prove one way or another the differences in outcomes between MD's and CRNA's. With the ASA's stated goals of eventually have zero anesthesia complications, this will only exacerbate our high cost image problems. After all, if a procedure is highly risky, patients will want the physician who is the most highly trained and has the most experience. However, if the risk becomes very low, regardless of who is doing it, the urgency to want only the best trained provider becomes less immediate and people start shopping around using other factors besides training, such as cost. For example, nobody is going to cost shop a neurosurgeon for a brain tumor resection because the procedure has a relatively high risk of complications. The patient will want the best surgeon available. However if anesthesia risks are practically zero, regardless of who is administering it, then costs will definitely become a consideration, which it already has for many hospitals and insurance companies.

So Dr. Neeld should be commended for stepping into this minefield. However, any chance that some studies will show the superiority of anesthesiologists over CRNA's will be years away and cost millions of dollars to conduct. And in the end it may just prove that the outcomes are the same regardless of who is pushing the big syringe and little syringe as the ASA's zero anesthesia complications initiatives become widely adopted by all anesthesia providers, whether they be doctors or nurses.

Where is the next great peril to anesthesiologists about to occur? Read about it here

15 comments:

  1. I attended the beginning of his lecture which involved sitting thru about 20 minutes of awards. I left after he spent about 10 minutes kissing various people's asses. I hope the content got better after. Fortunately not a problem we have (yet) in Canada.

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  2. Shame on you for writing and believing this... while anesthesiologists do have longer overall training, that does not make them ALL better than CRNAs. I work at one of the top 10 hospitals in the country (BJC) for world-known surgeons (Lenke, Riew, Bridwell) and not one of them would want an anesthesiologists performing solo, or even overseeing a resident, do their cases, based on negative outcomes during the cases; they all request certain CRNAs to provide anesthetics. There are certainly outstanding anesthesiologists out there, better than CRNAs, there are also outstanding CRNAs who are better at what they do than anesthesiologists; it all comes down to individuals. How sad of ASA to feel so insecure that they feel the need to start a 'war' against CRNAs who are NOT trying to convince anyone that they are better than the MDs.
    Gosia Borchardt, CRNA

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    1. Are you nuts? Is that how credentialing is done in the USA? The ASA isn't insecure; it recognizes the threat that your position implies... that the superior credential, obtained after years of voluntary training, can be dismissed on a case-by-case basis by surgeon preference and, on a nationwide basis,by the downmarket pressure of cost-cutting.

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  3. Horseshit. Nurses are not doctors. Doctors are not nurses. The AANA has been singing the same sone for 30 years. Nobody has given them the time of day till the last few years because of the economic pressures. You are full of crap. The people who go to medical school are cut from a different cloth than those who choose nursing school. They then undergo a much more rigorous path. Everybody wants to be a doctor but few want to put in the time.

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    1. CRNA T-shirt: "I'm not a doctor. I just play one in the OR."

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  4. How pathetic is it that the ASA used its keynote speech for the year on assailing other providers? It was spent not on encouraging research or recognizing discoveries or improving patient care, but rather about whining that a pissant turf battle is being lost. The excellent physicians that I know are above the fray and have no encroachment concerns. It is time to face the fact that regardless of the reason, anesthesia is now safe enough for many surgical cases that 8 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer supported medical education is not required. The ASA will never be able to show a difference between a CRNA or MDA in the care of an ASA III lap chole, because there isn't one.

    Where the ASA could really make a difference is in advancing the science of anesthesia. There is no denying that physicians are vastly ahead of nursing in medical research. So I encourage my physician colleagues to continue to sub-specialize. I promise that I'll call with questions and ask for help. Just please stop making the argument that your extra year of education allows only you to know the difference between 80 vs 100mg of propofol. It's exhausting for all parties.

    As for the whole cloth argument, I point to the joke of a physician that you'd never let touch anyone you know. If you've spent any time with CRNAs, you know there's one you'd take instead. It's like asking if you want an apple or an orange? Well, they're different fruit and I'd choose one versus the other for different reasons and often they're best mixed together. But we can all agree that there are bad apples and bad oranges....

    It's past time to bury the hatchet and start working together toward common goals.
    Joe, CRNA

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  5. You want to be co-captains. But to us you will always be first lieutenants. The hatchet will never be buried till one of us gives on that issue.

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  6. Let's also not forget to put this trend into its larger social context. Like smart-alecky kids who see an easy way out with parents looking the other way, we will soon have our dedicated, ambitious but impatient would-be doctors opting for nursing and CRNA training to save on cost and to get into the market more quickly, as in "who knows what the healthcare future will bring? I don't want to wait through a long training period and residency to find out." Hence erosion of the social fabric that puts our best and brightest into roles as doctors as the principal caretakers of the public. Am I Henny Penny? I think not.

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    1. No doubt that there are currently plenty of smart kids who ten years ago would have gone to med school who are now going into advanced practiced nursing for cost/benefit reasons. But they are and will be less well trained. It matters.

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  7. AnonymousOctober 20, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    "You want to be co-captains. But to us you will always be first lieutenants. The hatchet will never be buried till one of us gives on that issue."

    Your military analogy doesn't hold any water there, bucko....seems you guys were squeezed out when the Army designed "Forward Surgical Teams"....the tip of the spear in combat anesthesia....and we are Majors and Colonels there "Captain"....consider the hatchet buried....and you may need a tourniquet there "Captain"
    US Army LTC CRNA

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    1. It's more of a sports analogy... leave it to a CRNA to misinterpret a DOCTOR.

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    2. Haha, never underestimate the ego of a doctor. You're too stupid to see how your colleague specifically referred to "captains" and "first lieutenants."

      Remind us what sport designates "first leuitenants"???

      Loser

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  8. You "superior providers" out to at least make a few appearences in the O.R., instead of being in your call rooms checking your portfolios, before you criticize the CRNAs who are actually doing the work with the complete trust of the surgeon.
    By the way, in the last year, I have done solo anesthesia on two different anesthesiologist's family members (one wife and one mother). So even most of you don't believe your own bullshit.
    You guys should have been real docs instead of going into nursing.

    Disgusted CRNA

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